Shirou becomes CG only in a alternative universe of Fate route where he fails in save Saber heart, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the fatestaynight community. Slight Hollow Ataraxia Spoilers. He's from something that had conditions similar to the Fate route, something was missing, and he couldn't save Saber. Since Caster is protected by Kuzuki and Archer, Shirou and Rin decide to team up with another Master. Cookies help us deliver our Services. So, since it's official that he does't become Archer, i really interpret that he lives with Rin until the end, like a normal pearson. The player must complete the Fate scenario before being able to enter Unlimited Blade Works. Ultimately Archer followed a flawed ideology and hence his “stopping point” was before Shirou’s, as UBW Shirou is able to accept that he can’t save everyone. Fair warning: this question touches on the core themes and structure of FSN, so the answer is going to be long. It is close to a \"Ten-Count\" aria, using a poem about the caster as the basis, a sorrowful elegy in EMIYA's case, used to activate High-Thaumaturgy. However, Shirou declines, proclaiming that he will do all he can to avoid becoming Archer. Press J to jump to the feed. | Creator | ignoreme | deletthis. The beginning of the prologue is actually from his perspective. No matter how much you train Shirou, he’s never going to be powerful. It’s probably impossible for Caster to steal Herk from Illya: Rule Breaker, being ranked C, shouldn’t be able to stab through God Hand. Unlimited Blade Works is one of the routes in Fate/stay night.. I don't think it is HF as there is no need of her being there.After all Shirou has 0% chance of becoming archer there since he gave up on being a hero. I think most people talking here are familiar enough to connect the dots from Fate to UBW. I can see the happy Fate route where Shirou becomes Emiya. The lines … UBW Shirou could mimic Archer's ability to copy, but he lacks Archer's familiarity with his weapons normally, so he ends up with really brittle copies. Back at the main entrance, Archer tosses Shirou one of his swords and orders him to kill himself with it. While the Ufotable Unlimited Blade Works series generated multiple questions regarding Shirou becoming his future self, the warrior Archer. Both Archer and Shirou use an incantation to facilitate the invocation of the Reality Marble. Hi, I'm a bot for linking direct images of albums with only 1 image, Source | Why? After winning the fifth Holy Grail War along with his Servant Saber, Emiya Shirou was all the more inspired to pursue his dream of becoming a superhero. He doesn't, but he could... but he doesn't. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Granted, he is copying Archer's style and Archer made him realize the structures of his Reality marble, but he fought for himself. Also in Unlimited Blade Works, after the fight concluded between Shirou and Gilgamesh, Archer shot Gil in the head and amicably told Rin his good byes. For everything related to Fate/stay night or its spin-offs. As has been said already, little would change that is actually significant. The last scene of the anime only lets us know that while he followed Archers steps, he still went further with his life, in other words, he surpasses Archer's way of life. In HF, Archer's arm is pretty much doing all the job. - "/a/ - Anime & Manga" is 4chan's imageboard dedicated to the discussion of Japanese animation and manga. And two, during their fight, Shirou saw a significant amount of Archer's memories. After the end of each of the three routes in Fate/stay night, the possibility for Shirou to become Archer still exists, but the chance of it happening is close to zero. One of biggest argues that i saw is that he makes the contract but don't let the life of a CG destroys himself, but i can't see on that way. 20 "Unlimited Blade Works." The heroine and love interest of this route is Rin Tohsaka, with her servant Archer being the servant deuteragonist of the route. This theory IS from a YouTube comment. UBW Shirou got where he got by his own credit. UBW route Archer (shirou from Fate route) tries to kill Shirou, now he remembers his memories but lies about It. As Mr. Kurvilla explains, “standard” PTSD and survivor’s guilt are a part of it. Fate Shirou is the one closest to become Archer or a CG however we know due to "Last Episode" that he doesnt. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If he makes the contract, he will become Archer at some point, maybe take longer than normal Archer thanks to UBW events, but still gonna happen. In the midst of the Fifth Holy Grail War, Caster sets her plans into motion, beginning with the capture of Shirou's Servant Saber. The reasons on why Archer didn't target Shirou in the Fate route is 1. Shirou's early UBW route projections were the ones that completely sucked. After the end of each of the three routes in Fate/stay night, the possibility for Shirou to become Archer still exists, but the chance is it happening is close to zero. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Ten years before the start of Fate/stay night, Shirou was an ordinary boy living with his parents in Shinto. The sad goodbye symbolises her goodbye to the other Archer, the one that was her servant in the war. In the true ending, Shiro takes a path similar to Archer but instead of becoming a jaded bitter anti-hero ,he never gives up his ideals and and meets Saber in Avalon to be with her forever and all eternity. Nasu said in interview that Archer IN ALL ROUTES is from a very similar timeline to FATE ROUTE but he failed to save saber. Don't forget that Shirou one, was inside Archer's UBW, and saw everything inside. The great fire caused by the contents of the Holy Grail spilling out at the end of the Fourth Holy Grail War killed both his parents and left him mortally wounded within the blaze. The beginning of the prologue is actually from his perspective. I always have on my mind that he lives the rest of his life with Rin and that the last scene is simply showing that he follow his ideal to become a superhero and help people, but without making a contract with a World, but making some researches i find some people here saying that he still become a CG, I honestly don't believe on that, several scenes imply that Rin don't let that happen and live a happy life with him until the end of both. [6] The beginning conditions for Archer's Holy Grail War were mostly the same as that of the Fate/stay night universe, but it could be said that "something was missing." Rin and Shirou will travel the world together, having adventures, helping people, and probably fighting terrorists and evil magi; a couple of years later, they'll help Waver to dismantle the Grail in Fuyuki, in a huge civil war conflict between them, Zouken and different factions of The Mage's Association. She likes Archer because it reminds him of Shirou and it is what she looks in a partner. I'll keep my fingers crossed forever. In addition to what's already been said, the summoning of Archer happens before the routes diverge, so it'd be the same summoned spirit regardless. Caster or Kirei wins. My only problem with this theory IS a quote from archer in HF "Guess i have to postpone my personal desires(killing Shirou i suspect)". In the end they'll succeed and Sakura will be free from the Matou household, and all of that is canon, said by Nasu... now we need him to write all that shit down and hope for ufotable to make an anime or movie/s. It was always a thing that fucked my mind, in Fate route the Archer never tries to kill Shirou even sacrifices to save him, saber and Rin. Shirou becomes a CG after UBW? (This is my personal theory) Archer wanted Shirou to succeed at saving Saber this time, and for this reason he keeps giving Shirou good advice on how to use his powers even though Archer has an innate dislike of Shirou. But as the balance of power in the war begins to shift, the Master and Servant find themselves walking separate ways. For everything related to Fate/stay night or its spin-offs. What? May 23, 2015 () However, the positive traits of that ideology still remain, and hence he goes beyond Archer. UBW Spoiler I always have on my mind that he lives the rest of his life with Rin and that the last scene is simply showing that he follow his ideal to become a superhero and help people, but without making a contract with a World, but making some researches i find some people here saying that he still become a CG Fate/Zero, Fate/hollow ataraxia, Fate/Extra, Fate/EXTELLA, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Strange Fake, The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II, Fate/Requiem, Fate/type Redline, etc., discuss all of these and more on this subreddit! Especially a tricky writer like Nasu, who was probably expecting people to wonder how Shirou could project something he'd never seen, why he would "pull a shield from the hill" when he projects things from himself, and who probably expected people to nod in comprehension on finding out that Archer is nearby and note that yes, Emiya Shirou did project a shield, (that clever bastard). Its only that in UBW is where he gets more pissed of after all the stuff that happened with caster in the others he just didnt have time to try anything. Everything that Archer can make. People saying otherwise are just having a good time with headcanons. Slight Hollow Ataraxia Spoilers. The reason that Archer goes through with it in UBW is, IIRC, because he sees Shirou charging in in a way that he never really does in Fate or HF, and it makes Archer more annoyed with him. Is Shirou destined to become Archer? S2, Ep3. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. He has Rider as mistress, no need for other – echomateria Nov 17 '16 at 15:38. She was touching it nervously and puts it there as a goodbye. I’ve always been of the mindset that the Archer in UBW is Shirou after the fate route, and the Archer in HF is the Shirou after UBW’s arch. 2.fate stay night UBW{Rin’s route} So, to people who think in opposite way, you have a decent and solid argue that is not simply based on the last scene of the anime or ''multiverse bro''? Their chants differ slightly due to the different experiences in their respective lives. Plus, the conditions to the make the contract is he becoming even more obsessed with saving people after don't save Saber's heart in Fate, ''happy Shirou'' don't have a reason to make. He could've found the Aius from either of those. Shirou doesnt become a CG in any of the FSN routes. 18 Apr. I recently watched Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night, and it has left me puzzled The first Shirou who became Archer, since he didn't meet an alternate version on himself, and he summoned Saber, who did Rin end up summoning? The scene is more metaphorical than physical. That's all we really know about so far. That's spot on friend, anyone who thinks otherwise didn't understand UBW and should watch the anime again, or read the VN, or acknowledge the fact that Nasu himself said Shirou doesn't become Archer in any of the routes. HF route Archer(shirou from UBW route) does not care about Shirou, even gives him his arm. With the witch growing ever more powerful, Rin and Archer determine she is a threat that must be dealt with at once. So not many opportunities to talk to Shirou and get pissed at him, 3. Shirou now knows his destiny and becomes a hero with no contract with the humans will. Archer, whoever, has a bit of Independant Action that irritates her. Shirou describes it as a suggestion to change himself and the words that will \"connect Shirou Emiya\". Specially HF where the Shadow just took a bigger priority for him as he noticed how dangerous it is to leave it like if it were nothing. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Personally i dont think Shirou becomes Archer or a Counter-Guardian in any of the 3 main FSN routes due to his character development in those routes. Archer comes from a timeline similar to the events of the Fate route where he "failed to save Saber's heart" in that version of events. There are some small changes in the personality of archer between each arch that seem to support this. Fate/Zero, Fate/hollow ataraxia, Fate/Extra, Fate/EXTELLA, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Strange Fake, The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II, Fate/Requiem, Fate/type Redline, etc., discuss all of these and more on this subreddit! He was rescued by Kiritsugu Emiya, who was dejected after indirectly causing the fire and, wishing to actually \"save\" someone for the first time in his life, res… As a result, Shirou and Archer prepare to engage each other in battle. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the fatestaynight community. Maybe the Grail wiped his memory to unable him from fucking up his time paradox, Shirou here never finds saber in avalon and does not know what the destiny has to offer. He was injured by Saber at the beginning so he was spending most of his time recovering, 2. Yeah, copying Archer is much more badass than...copying Archer. Despite losing Saber, Shirou is determined to fight. Like the other comment said, Archer is from a timeline similar to the Fate route, but Nasu said that something major was missing, and that Archer failed to save Saber at the end. HF route Archer (shirou from UBW route) does not care about Shirou, even gives him his arm. [81] But they’re far from the whole. At the end of the manuscript Rin puts her amulet in a box. There's no way he could project and fully utilize Berserker's axe. From what I put together from just finish watching this show is Shirou can never become Archer instead Archer is a hero from the future that is indeed Shirou himself, hence in the beginning why they don't like each other so much, but at the same time they irate one another but the younger one is fonder of the older one. Press J to jump to the feed. UBW route Archer(shirou from Fate route) tries to kill Shirou, now he remembers his memories but lies about It. NAMELESS on the other hand is close to being post Fate route Shirou in general. For HF, Archer realized that the Shadow was incredibly dangerous, and decided to prioritize destroying the Shadow over killing Shirou. he lives the rest of his life with Rin and that the last scene is simply showing that he follow his ideal to become a superhero and help people, but without making a contract with a World. Left with no other option, they set out to find Illyasviel and Berserker. 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